When to Hire Your First Chief People Officer
(Post 1 of 4 in the series of Scaling CPO’s)
In most startups, the HR function starts out as tactical, because you have to get people hired and paid, and while you might have a founder or early-stage employee who can do these things, often these tasks are frequently outsourced to a PEO. As the company grows, it probably in-sources payroll and benefits, hires a recruiter, and maybe has an HR Manager who handles the function. Depending on the number of roles you see being filled, the degree of specialization, or a host of other factors, an in-house team to handle the tactical aspects of HR makes a lot of sense. But at some point you may need to hire a Chief People Officer.
One sign that itâs time to hire a Chief People Officer is if you feel that youâre the driver of company values, that youâre the one talking about values and viewing the company and interactions with that lensâbut youâre the only one that cares about the core values. If your HR function is only focused on the tactical aspects of the role and not on how values drive the company, youâll need to consider a full-time People Officer because focusing on tactical functions only will not help your company scale.
Another sign is if you are spending too much of your own time training managers and leaders or working on interpersonal dynamics on your leadership team. Whatâs the right amount of time? I think of these tasks (if youâre a a CEO) as things where you should be more like a consultant rather than the driving force behind them. If you find that a large portion of your day or week is filled with people ops activities, itâs time to think about hiring someone.
A third sign that it might be time to hire a People officer can happen when your board asks you what your talent strategy is with respect to improving diversity, retention, and engagement metrics, while simultaneously decreasing average employee salary, and you donât have a great answer. While itâs acceptableâoccasionallyâto not know the strategy at a detailed level for a particular part of your business, if you get asked a question by your board and havenât the faintest idea on how you can get an answer, that âs a good sign that you should consider brining in a full-time Chief People Officer.
A fraction Chief People Officer may be a great option, especially if you have a very competent HR manager or director who has strategic inclinations but not enough experience operating as a strategic executive. If you have a person who just needs a little more supervision in order to âlevel upâ then a fractional executive could be helpful. Or, if you need someone to play more of a consigliere or team coach role to your executive team but donât want to engage a coach — and your day-to-day HR leader is getting the job done but too junior to facilitate workshops for the senior team, a fractional executive would work. Finally, if you have a very junior HR function or are insourcing it for the first time and need help setting up the whole function from scratch at an advanced size relative to other functions, a fractional executive would be helpful.
As a startup itâs easy to focus on the day-to-day operational details of the People Ops team because those thingsâpayroll, benefits, hiring, onboardingâare tangible and have metrics associated with them. But those things wonât help you scale. If you want to scale your company, if you want to go from $2 million in revenues to $50 million youâll need to have a person in your organization who is passionate about the values and passionate about helping individual contributors and leaders connect their work to the values. A Chief People Officer will be able to step in and be a leader to the leadership team; after all, companies are built into greatness by people, so this key position is pivotal to the company.Â
(You can find this post on the Bolster Blog here)
Book (Not So) Short: Raise Your Hand If You’re Sure
Book (Not So) Short:Â Raise Your Hand If You’re Sure
I couldn’t get the catchy jingle from the 80’s commercial for Sure deodorant (you remember, the one with the Statue of Liberty at the end of it – thanks, YouTube) out of my head while I was reading the relatively new book, Confidence: How Winning Streaks and Losing Streaks Begin and End. Written by HBS professor Rosabeth Moss Kantor, Confidence is one of the few business books I’ve read that’s both long and worth reading in full.
The book has scores of examples of both winning and losing streaks, from sports, business, politics, and other walks of life, and it does a great job of breaking down the core elements that go into creating a winning streak or turnaround (Accountability, Collaboration, Innovation). Kantor also puts a very fine point on the “doom loop” of losing streaks and just how hard it is to turn them around. The book also has a good crisp definition of why winning streaks end — arrogange, anyone? — and has consistent, but not preachy recipes for avoiding pitfalls and driving success. All in all, very inspirational, even if many of the roots of success lie in well-documented leadership qualities like those expressed in Jim Collins’ Built to Last and Good to Great. The book is good enough that Kantor can even be forgiven for lauding Verizon, probably the most consistently awful customer service company I’ve ever dealt with.
But even more of the roots of success and disappointment around streaks are psychological, and these examples really rang true for me as I reflected back on our acquisition of the troubled NetCreations in 2004. That company was in the midst of a serious slump, a losing streak dating back to 2000, at the peak of the original Internet boom. Year over year, the company had lost revenues, profits, customers, and key personnel. Its parent company saw poor results and set it into the doom loop of starving it for resources and alternating between ignoring it and micromanaging it, and when we acquired the business, we found great assets and some fantastic people (many of whom I’m proud to say are still with us today), but a dispirited, blame-oriented, passive culture that was poised to continue wallowing in decline.
I can hardly claim that we’ve turned the business around in full, or that I personally made happen whatever turnaround there has been, but I do think we did a few things right as far as Kantor and Confidence would see it. Her formula for a turnaround (Espouse the new message, Exemplify it with leadership actions, Establish programs to systematically drive it home throughout the organization) is right in line with our philosophy here at Return Path.
First, we accelerated the separation and autonomy of a fledgeling NetCreations spin-off unit, now our Authentic Response market research group, and let a culture of collaboration and innovation flourish under an exceptionally talented leader, Jeff Mattes.
But that was the easy part (for me anyway), because that part of the business was actually working well, and we just let it do its thing, with more support from HQ. The turnaround of the core list rental and lead generation business of NetCreations, the original Postmaster Direct, was much tougher and is still a work in progress. In the last six months, we’ve finally turned the corner, but it hasn’t been easy. Even though we knew lots of what had to be done early on, actually doing it is much harder than b-school platitudes or even the best-written books make it seem.
The one thing that Kantor probably gives short shrift to, although she does mention it in passing a couple times, is that frequently turnarounds require massive major amounts of purging of personnel (not just management) to take hold. As one of my former colleagues from Mercer Management Consulting used to say, “sometimes the only way to effect Change Management is to change management.” Sometimes even very talented people are just bogged down with baggage — the “ghost of quarters past” — and nothing you do or say can break that psychological barrier.
Boy, have we learned that lesson here at Return Path the hard way. I’m extremely grateful to our team at Return Path, from the old RP people who’ve seen it all happen, to the old NetCreations people who are thriving in the new environment, to the new blood we’ve brought in to help effect the turnaround, for playing such important roles in our own Confidence-building exercises here. And I’m super Confident that 2007 will be the year that we officially turn the old NetCreations/Postmaster losing streak into a big, multi-year winning streak.
Anyway, I realize this may redefine the “short” in book short, but Confidence is without question a good general management and leadership read.
A Perfect Ten
Return Path turns 10 years old today. We are in the midst of a fun week of internal celebrations, combined with our holiday parties in each office as well as year-end all-hands meetings. I thought I would share some of my reflections on being 10 in the blog as I’ve shared them with our team. What being 10 means to me – and what’s enabled us to make it this long:
- It means we’ve beaten the odds. Two major global economic meltdowns. The fact that 90% of new small businesses fail before they get to this point. Probably a higher percentage of venture backed startups fail before they get to 10 as well
- We’ve gotten here because we’ve been nimble and flexible. Over our 10 years, we’ve seen lots of companies come and go, clinging to a model that doesn’t work. We may have taken a while and a few iterations to get to this point, but as one of my Board members says, “we’re an overnight success, ten years in the making!”
- We’ve also made it this long because we have had an amazing track record with our three core constituencies – employees, clients, and investors – including navigating the sometimes difficult boundaries or conflicts between the three
What I’m most proud of from our first decade:
- We’ve built a great culture. Yes, it’s still a job. But for most of our team members most of the time, they like work, they like their colleagues, and they have a fun and engaging time at work. That’s worth its weight in gold to me
- We’ve built a great brand and have been hawkish about protecting our reputation in the marketplace. That’s also the kind of thing that can’t be bought
- We haven’t sacrificed our core principles. We’ve always, going back to our founding and the ECOA business, had a consumer-first philosophy that runs deep. This core principle continues to serve us well in deliverability (a non-consumer-facing business) and is clearly the right thing to do in the email ecosystem
What I most regret or would do differently if given the chance:
- We have not raised capital as efficiently as possible – mostly because our company has shifted business models a couple of times. Investors who participated in multiple rounds of financing will do very well with their investments. First or second round angel investors who didn’t or couldn’t invest in later rounds will lose money in the end
- I wish we were in one location, not five. We are embracing our geographic diversity and using it to our advantage in the marketplace, but we pay a penalty for that in terms of travel and communication overhead
- We have at times spread ourselves a little too thin in pursuit of a fairly complex agenda out of a relatively small company. I think we’re doing a good job of reigning that in now (or growing into it), but our eyes have historically been bigger than our stomachs
Thanks to all our investors and Board members, especially Greg Sands from Sutter Hill Ventures, Fred Wilson from Flatiron Partners and Union Square Ventures, Brad Feld from Mobius Venture Capital, and Scott Weiss for their unwavering support and for constantly challenging us to do better all these years. Thanks to our many customers and partners for making our business work and for driving us to innovate and solve their problems. Thanks to our many alumni for their past efforts, often with nothing more to show for it than a line item on their resume. And most of all, thanks to our hardworking and loyal team of nearly 200 for a great 2009 and many more exciting years ahead! Â
People First
People First
I do not think it’s telling that my fourth post in this series of posts on Return Path’s core values (kickoff post, tag cloud) is something called People First. Ok, it probably should have been the first post in the series. To be fair, it is the first value on our list, but for whatever reason, the value about Ownership was top of mind when I decided to create this series.
Anyway, at Return Path,
We believe that people come first
And we arenât shy about saying it publicly, either. This came up in a lengthy interview I did with Inc. Magazine last year when we were profiled for winning an award as one of the top 20 small- and mid-sized businesses to work for in America. After re-reading that article, I went back and tried to find the slide from our investor presentations that I referred to. I have a few versions of this slide from different points in time, including one thatâs simpler (it only has employees, clients, and shareholder on it) but hereâs a sample of it:
That pretty much says it all. We believe that if we have the best and most engaged workforce, we will do the best job at solving our clientsâ problems, and if we do that well, our shareholders will win, too.
How does this âpeople firstâ mentality influence my/our day-to-day activities? Here are a few examples:
- We treat all employees well, regardless of level or department. All employees are important to us achieving our mission â otherwise, they wouldnât be here. So we donât do a lot of things that other companies do like send our top performing sales reps on a boondogle together while the engineers and accountants slave away in the office as second-class citizens. That would be something you might see in a âsales firstâ or âcustomer firstâ culture
- We fiercely defend the human capital of our organization. There are two examples I can think of around this point. First, we do not tolerate abusive clients. Fortunately, they are rare, but more than once over the years either I or a member of my senior team has had to get on the phone with a client and reprimand them, or even terminate their contract with us, for treating one of our employees poorly and unprofessionally. And along the same lines, when all economic hell broke loose in the fall of 2008, we immediately told employees that while we’d be in for a rough ride, our three top priorities were to keep everyone’s job, keep everyone’s compensation, and keep everyone’s health benefits. Fortunately, our business withstood the financial challenges and we were able to get through the financial crisis with those three things intact.
- We walk the walk with regard to employee feedback. Everyone does employee satisfaction surveys, but we are very rigorous about understanding what areas are making people relatively unhappy (for us, even our poor ratings are pretty good, but theyâre poor relative to other ratings), and where in the employee population (office, department, level) those issues lie. We highlight them in an all-hands meeting or communication, we develop specific action plans around them, and we measure those same questions and responses the next time we do a survey to see how weâve improved
- We invest in our people. We pay them fairly well, but thatâs not what Iâm talking about. We invest in their learning and growth, which is the lifeblood of knowledge workers. We do an enormous amount of internal training. We encourage, support, and pay for outside training and education. We are very generous with the things that allow our employees to be happy and healthy, from food to fitness to insurance to time off to a flexible environment to allowing them to work from another office, or even remotely, if their lives require them to move somewhere else
- I spend as little time as I possibly can managing my shareholders and as much time as I can with employees and prospective employees. That doesnât mean I donât interact with my Board members â I do that quite a bit. But it does mean that when I do interact with them, itâs more about what they can do for Return Path and less about reporting information to them. I do send them a lot of information, but the information flow works well for them and simultaneously minimizes my time commitment to the process: (1) reporting comes in a very consistent format so that investors know WHAT to expect and what theyâre looking at, (2) reporting comes out with a consistently long lead time prior to a meeting so investors know WHEN to expect the information, (3) the format of the information is co-developed with investors so they are getting the material they WANT, and (4) we automate as much of the information production as possible and delegate it out across the organization as much as possible so thereâs not a heavy burden on any one employee to produce it
- When we do spend time with customers (which is hopefully a lot as well), we try to spread that time out across a broad base of employees, not just salespeople and account managers, so that as many of our employees can develop a deep enough understanding of what our customersâ lives are like and how we impact them
There are plenty of companies out there who have a âshareholder firstâ or âcustomer firstâ philosophy. Iâm not saying those are necessarily wrong â but at least in our industry, Iâll bet companies like that end up with significantly higher recruiting costs (we source almost half our new hires from existing employee referrals), higher employee churn, and therefore lower revenue and profit per employee metrics at a minimum. Those things must lead to less happy customers, especially in this day and age of transparency. And all of those things probably degrade shareholder value, at least over the long haul.
Response to the Journal
(This post is running concurrently on the Return Path blog.)
It is now widely understood that the Internet runs on data. I first blogged about this in 2004â14 years ago!â here.  People have come to expect a robustâand free!âonline experience. Whether itâs a shopping app or a social media platform like Instagram, these free experiences provide a valuable service. And like most businesses, the companies that provide these experiences need to make money somehow. Consumers are coming to understand and appreciate that the real cost of a âfreeâ internet lies in advertising and data collection.
Today, the Wall Street Journal ran an article exploring the data privacy practices of Google and some of the third party developers who utilize their G Suite ecosystem. Return Path was among the companies mentioned in this article. We worked closely with the journalist on this piece and shared a great deal of information about the inner workings of Return Path, because we feel itâs important to be completely transparent when it comes to matters of privacy.  Unfortunately, the reporter was extremely and somewhat carelessly selective in terms of what information he chose to use from us â as well as listing a number of vague sources who claimed to be âin the knowâ about the inner workings of Return Path. We know that he reached out to dozens of former employees via LinkedIn, for example, many of whom havenât worked here in years.
While the article does not uncover any wrongdoings on our part (in fact, it does mention that we have first-party relationships with and consent from our consumers), it does raise a larger privacy and security concern against Google for allowing developer access to Gmailâs API to create email apps. The article goes on to explain that computers scan this data, and in some rare cases, the data is reviewed by actual people. The article mentions a specific incident at Return Path where approximately 8,000 emails were manually reviewed for classification. As anyone who knows anything about software knows, humans program software â artificial intelligence comes directly from human intelligence. Â Any time our engineers or data scientists personally review emails in our panel (which again, is completely consistent with our policies), we take great care to limit who has access to the data, supervise all access to the data, deploying a Virtual Safety Room, where data cannot leave this VSR and all data is destroyed after the work is completed.
I want to reaffirm that Return Path is absolutely committed to data security and consumer data privacy. Since our founding in 1999, weâve kept consumer choice, permission, and transparency at the center of our business. To this end, we go above and beyond whatâs legally required and take abundant care to make sure that:
- Our privacy policy is prominently displayed and written in plain English;
- The user must actively agree to its terms (no pre-checked boxes); and
- A summary of its main points is shown to every user at signup without the need to click a link
While a privacy expert quoted in the article (and someone weâve known and respected for years) says that he believes consumers would want to know that humans, not only computers, might have access to data, we understand that unfortunately, most consumers donât pay attention to privacy policies and statements, which is precisely why we developed succinct and plain-English âjust-in-timeâ policies years before GDPR required them. When filling out a form people may not think about the impact that providing the information will have at a later date. Just-in-time notices work by appearing on the individualâs screen at the point where they input personal data, providing a brief message explaining how the information they are about to provide will be used, for example:

Itâs disappointing to say the least that the reporter called this a âdirty secret.â Â It looks pretty much the opposite of a secret to me.
In addition to our own policies and practices, Return Path is deeply involved in ongoing industry work related to privacy. We lead many of these efforts, and maintain long-term trusted relationships with numerous privacy associations. Our business runs on data, and keeping that data secure is our top priority.
Further, I want to address the scare tactics employed by this journalist, and many others, in addressing the topics of data collection, data security, and who has access to data. Itâs common these days to see articles that highlight the dangers that can accompany everyday online activities like downloading an app or browsing a retail website. And while consumers certainly have a responsibility to protect themselves through education, itâs also important to understand the importance of data sharing, open ecosystems, and third party developers. Â And more than that, itâs important to draw distinctions between companies who have direct relationships with and consent from consumers and ones who do not.
While they may not be top of mind, open ecosystems that allow for third-party innovation are an essential part of how the internet functions. Big players like Facebook and Google provide core platforms, but without APIs and independent developers, innovation and usability would be limited to big companies with significant market power and budgetsâto the detriment of consumers. Think about itâwould Facebook have become as wildly popular without the in-app phenomenon that was Farmville? Probably, but you get the point: third party applications add a new level of value and usefulness that a platform alone canât provide.
Consumers often fall into the trap of believing that the solution to all of their online worries is to deny access to their data. But the reality is that, if they take steps like opting out of online tracking, the quality of their online experience will deteriorate dramatically. Rather than being served relevant ads and content that relates to their browsing behaviors and online preferences, theyâll see random ads from the highest bidder. Unfortunately some companies take personalization to an extreme, but an online experience devoid of personalization would feel oddly generic to the average consumer.
Thereâs been a lot of attention in the media latelyâand rightfully soâabout privacy policies and data privacy practices, specifically as they relate to data collection and access by third parties. The new GDPR regulations in the EU have driven much of this discussion, as has the potential misuse of private information about millions of Facebook users.
One of Return Pathâs core values is transparency, including how we collect, access and use data. Â Our situation and relationship with consumers is different from those of other companies. If anyone has additional questions, please reach out.
Email Intelligence and the new Return Path
Welcome to the new Return Path.
For a tech company to grow and thrive in the 21st century it must be in a state of constant adaptation. We have been the global market leaders in email deliverability since my co-founder George Bilbrey coined that term back in 2002. In fact, back in 2008 we announced a major corporate reorganization, divesting ourselves of some legacy businesses in order to focus on deliverability as our core business. Â
 Since then Return Path has grown tremendously thanks to that focus, but we have grown to the point where itâs time for us to redefine ourselves once again. Now weâre launching a new chapter in the companyâs history to meet evolving needs in our marketplace. Weâre establishing ourselves as the global market leaders in email intelligence. Read on and Iâll explain what that means and why itâs important.
What Return Path Released Today
We launched three new products today to improve inbox placement rate (the new Inbox Monitor, Â now including subscriber-level data), identify phishing attacks (Email Brand Monitor), and make it easier to understand subscriber engagement and benchmark your program against your competition (Inbox Insight, a groundbreaking new solution). Weâve also released an important research study conducted by David Daniels at The Relevancy Group.
The reportâs findings parallel what weâve been hearing more and more recently. Email marketers are struggling with two core problems that complicate their decision making: They have access to so much data, they canât possibly analyze it fast enough or thoroughly enough to benefit from it; and too often they donât have access to the data they really need.
Meanwhile they face new challenges in addition to the ones email marketers have been battling for years. Itâs still hard to get to the inbox, and even to monitor how much mail isnât getting there. Itâs still hard to protect brands and their customers from phishing and spoofing, and even to see when mail streams are under attack. And itâs still hard to see engagement measurements, even as they become more important to marketing performance.
Email Intelligence is the Answer
Our solution to these problems is Email Intelligence. Email intelligence is the combination of data from across the email ecosystem, analytics that make it accessible and manageable, and insight that makes it actionable. Marketers need all of these to understand their email performance beyond deliverability. They need it to benchmark themselves against competitors, to gain a complete understanding of their subscribersâ experience, and to accurately track and report the full impact of their email programs. In fact, we have redefined our companyâs mission statement to align with our shift from being the global leader in Email Deliverability to being the global leader in Email Intelligence:
We analyze email data and build solutions that generate insights for senders, mailbox providers, and users to ensure that inboxes contain only messages that users want
The products we are launching today, in combination with the rest of our Email Intelligence Solution for Marketers thatâs been serving clients for a decade, will help meet these market needs, but we continue to look ahead to find solutions to bigger problems. I see our evolution into an Email Intelligence company as an opportunity to change the entire ecosystem, to make email better, more welcome, more effective, and more secure.
Davidâs researchoffers a unique view of marketersâ place in the ecosystem, where they want to get to, how much progress theyâve made, and how big a lead the top competitors have opened up against the rest. (It can also give you a sense of where your efforts stack up vs. the rest of the industry.) There are definitely some surprises, but for me the biggest takeaway was no surprise at all: The factors that separate the leaders are essentially the core components of what we define as Email Intelligence.
A Lighter, Yet Darker, Note
A Lighter, Yet Darker, Note
I’ve been meaning to post about this for some time now since my colleague Tami Forman introduced me to this company. It’s a riot.
You know all those well-intentioned, but slightly cheesy motivational posters you see in places like dentists’ offices? The kind that talk about “Perseverence” and “Commitment” and “Dare to Dream” and have some beautiful or unique, usually nature-centric image to go with them and their tag line?
For the sarcastic among us, you must visit Despair, Inc.’s web site, in particular any of the “Individual Designs” sections featured on the left side navigation. The posters are brilliant spoofs on the above, with such gems as “Agony” and “Strife” and “Despair” (whose tag line is “It’s always darkest just before it goes pitch black”). E.L. Kersten is one funny, albeit strange dude.
Worth a look, and everything is for sale there, too, in case you need to have these posted in a back room somewhere.
Book Short: How, Now
Book Short: How, Now
Every once in a while, I read a book that has me jump up and down saying “Yes! That’s so right!” How: Why How We Do Anything Means Everything in Business (and in Life), by Dov Seidman, was one of those books. But beyond just agreeing with the things Seidman says, the book had some really valuable examples and two killer frameworks, one around culture, and one around leadership.
It’s a book about the way the world we now live in — a world of transparency and hyper-connectedness — is no longer about WHAT you do, but HOW you do it. It’s about how you can have a great brand and great advertising, but if your customers find out via a blog and YouTube clip that you run a low quality sweatshop in Malaysia, you are toast. It’s about you can…not outwork the competition, not outsmart the competition, but how you can out-behave the competition.
The book, which talks about principles like mutual gain, and thriving on the collaborative, reminds me a lot of a basic tenet of negotiation I learned years ago at the Harvard Program on Negotiation about finding a “third way” beyond a “me vs. you” negotiation by expanding the pie so both parties get more out of a deal.
Here are a few snippets from the book to inspire a purchase:
– How encouraging doctors to say “I’m sorry” radically reduces lawsuits
– How “micro-inequities” can subtly leech productivity from an organization
– How the majority of workers expect from their workplaces: equity, achievement, camaraderie
– How companies whose employees understand and embrace their mission, goals, and values see a 29% greater return than companies whose employees don’t
– How reputation is the new competitive advantage
– How people will do the right thing because in self-governing cultures, not doing the right thing no longer betrays just the company; it betrays individuals’ own values
– How increasing self-governance means moving values to the center of your efforts and making it clear — in how you reward, celebrate, communicate, and pursue — that those values form the guiding spirit of the enterprise
What type of organization do you run? One based on Anarchy & Lawlessness, one based on Blind Obedience, one based on Informed Acquiescence, or one of Values-Based Self-Governance? (Hint, it’s most likely the third category.) Read the book to find out more.
Pret a Manager
Pret a Manager
My friend James is the GM of the Pret a Manger (a chain of about 250 “everyday luxury” quick service restaurants in the UK and US) at 36th and 5th in Manhattan. James recently won the President’s Award at Pret for doing an outstanding job opening up a new restaurant. As part of my ongoing effort to learn and grow as a manager, I thought it would be interesting to spend a day shadowing James and seeing what his operation and management style looked like for a team of two dozen colleagues in a completely different environment than Return Path. That day was today. I’ll try to write up the day as combination of observations and learnings applied to our business. This will be a much longer post than usual. The title of this post is not a typo – James is “ready to manage.”
1. Team meeting. The day started at 6:45 a.m. pre-opening with a “team brief” meeting. The meeting only included half a dozen colleagues who were on hand for the opening, it was a mix of fun and serious, and it ended with three succinct points to remember for the day. I haven’t done a daily huddle with my team in years, but we do daily stand-ups all across the company in different teams. The interesting learning, though, is that James leaves the meeting and writes the three points on a whiteboard downstairs near the staff room. All staff members who come in after the meeting are expected to read the board and internalize the three points (even though they missed the meeting) and are quizzed on them spontaneously during the day. Key learning: missing a meeting doesn’t have to mean missing the content of the meeting.
2. Individual 1:1 meeting. I saw one of these, and it was a mix of a performance review and a development planning session. It was a little more one-way in communication than ours are, but it did end up having a bunch of back-and-forth. James’s approach to management is a lot of informal feedback “in the moment,” so this formal check-in contained no surprises for the employee. The environment was a little challenging for the meeting, since it was in the restaurant (there’s no closed office, and all meetings are done on-site). The centerpiece of the meeting was a “Start-Stop-Continue” form. Key learning: Start-Stop-Continue is a good succinct check-in format.
3. Importance of values. There were two forms of this that I saw today. One was a list of 13 key behaviors with an explanation next to each of specific good and bad examples of the behavior. The behaviors were very clear and were “escalating,” meaning Team Members were expected to practice the first 5-6 of them, Team Leads the first 7-8, Managers the first 10, Head Office staff the first 12, Executives all 13 (roughly). The second was this “Pret Recipe,” as posted on the public message board (see picture below). Note – just like our values at Return Path, it all starts with the employee. One interesting nugget I got from speaking to a relatively new employee who had just joined at the entry level after being recruited from a prominent fast food chain where he had been a store general manager was “Pret really believes this stuff — no lip service.”
I saw the values in action in two different ways. The first was on the message board, where each element of the Pret Recipe was broken out with a list of supporting documents below it, per the below photo. Very visual, very clear.
The second was that in James’s team meeting and in his 1:1 meeting, he consistently referenced the behaviors. Key learning: having values is great, making them come to life and be relevant for a team day-in, day-out is a lot harder but quite powerful when you get it right.
4. Managing by checklist. I wrote about this topic a while ago here, but there is nothing like food service retail to demand this kind of attention to detail. Wow. They have checklists and standards for everything. Adherence to standards is what keeps the place humming. Key learning: it feels like we have ~1% of the documentation of job processes that Pret does, and I’m thinking that as we get bigger and have people in more and more locations doing the same job, a little more documentation is probably in order to ensure consistency of delivery.
5. Extreme team-based and individual incentive compensation. Team members start at $9/hour (22% above minimum wage that most competitors offer). However, any week in which any individual store passes a Mystery Shopper test, the entire staff receives an incremental $2/hour for the whole week. Any particular employee who is called out for outstanding service during a Mystery Shop receives a $100 bonus, or a $200 bonus if the store also passes the test. The way the math works out, an entry level employee who gets the maximum bonus earns a 100% bonus for that week. But the extra $2/hour per team member for a week seemed to be a powerful incentive across the board. Key learning: team-based incentive comp is something we use here for executives, but maybe it’s worth considering for other teams as well.
6. Integrated systems. Pret has basically one single software system that runs the whole business from inventory to labor scheduling to finances. All data flows through it directly from point of sale or via manager single-entry. All reports are available on demand. The system is pretty slick. There doesn’t seem to be much use of side systems and side spreadsheets, though I’m sure there are some. Key learning: there’s a lot to be said for having a little more information standardized across the business, though the flip side is that this system is a single point of failure and also much less flexible than what we have.
7. Think time. I’ve written a little about working “on the business, not in the business,” or what I call OTB time, once before, and I have another post queued up for later this summer about the same. Brad Feld also very kindly wrote about it in reference to Return Path last week. Working in retail means that time to work on IMPORTANT BUT NOT URGENT issues is extremely hard to come by and fragmented. I suspect that it comes more at the end of the day for James, and it probably comes a lot more when he doesn’t have someone like me observing him and asking him questions. But his “office” (below), exposed to the loud music and sounds and smells of the kitchen, certainly doesn’t lend itself to think time! Key learning: of course customers come first, but boy is it critical to make space to work OTB, not just ITB. Oh, and James needs a new chair that’s more ergonomically compatible with his high countertop desk.
Years ago, I spent a few weekends working in my cousin Michael’s wine store in Hudson, NY, and I wrote up the experience in two different posts on this blog, the first one about the similarities between running a 2-person company and a 200-person company, and the second one about how in a small business, you have to wear one of every kind of hat there is. My conclusion then was that there are more similarities than differences when it comes to running businesses of different types. My conclusion from today is exactly the same, though the focus on management made for a very different experience.
Thanks to James, Gustavo, Orlanda, Shawona, and the rest of the team at the 36th & 5th Pret for putting up with the distraction of me for the bulk of the day today — I learned a lot (and particularly enjoyed the NYC Meatball Hot Wrap) and now have to figure out how to return the favor to you!
Selling a Line of Business
Selling a Line of Business
It’s been a couple of years since Return Path decided to focus on our deliverability business by divesting and spinning out our other legacy businesses. That link tells some of the story, and the rest is that subsequently, Authentic Response divested part of the Postmaster Direct business to Q Interactive. Those three transactions, plus a number of experiences over the years on the buy side of similar transactions (Bonded Sender, Habeas, NetCreations), plus my learnings from talking to a number of other CEOs who have done similar things over the years, form the basis of this post. The Authentic Response spin-out was also partially chronicled by Inc. Magazine in this article earlier this year.
It’s an important topic — as entrepreneurs build businesses, they frequently end up creating new revenue opportunities and go off on productive tangents. Those new lines of business might or might not take off; but sometimes they can take off and still, down the road, end up being non-core to the overall mission of the company and therefore candidates for divestiture. Even if they are good businesses, the overall enterprise might benefit from the focus or cash provided by a sale. Look at the example of Occipital building the Red Laser app, then selling it to eBay to finance the rest of their business.
Here are some of the signs of a successful divestiture:
- Business is truly non-core or relies on starkly different competencies for success (e.g., one is B2B, the other is B2C)
- Business is growing rapidly and requires assistance to scale properly (either technology, or sales)
- Business has its own culture and operations and “a life of its own”
Conversely, here are some of the reasons why a divestitures of a business unit might stall or fail:
- Lack of a very compelling story as to why youâre selling the business unit
- Stand-alone financials of the unit are too hard for the buyer to determine with confidence
- Operations of the unit too tethered to the mothership
- There is some problem with the leadership of the unit (there is no stand-alone leader, the leader isn’t involved in the divestiture, the leader isn’t squarely behind the divestiture)
- Business performance weakens during the process
I have a couple points of advice to entrepreneurs in this situation. The first is to clarify for yourself up front: are you selling a true line of business, or are you selling assets? If you are selling assets, you need to clearly define what they are, and what they arenât, and you need to make sure all legal details (contracts, IP, etc.) are buttoned up before the process starts.
If you are selling a true line of business, beware that buyers will not be interested in doing any hard work, or if they feel like they have to do hard work, the price they pay for the business will reflect that in the form of a steep, steep discount. The financials must be understandable and credible on a stand-alone basis. The business must be completely separated from the core already. The business must have its own management team, completely aligned with the decision to sell.
You also have to be extremely cognizant of the human aspects of what you’re doing. Every culture is different, and I’m not advocating one style over another, but selling or spinning out a business is very different than selling a company. There’s going to be a big difference in reactions, perceptions, hopes, and fears between the people in the core who are staying, and the people in the business unit that’s going. Having a heightened awareness of those differences and factoring them into your communications plan is critical to success, as a poorly managed effort can end up harming both sides.
In terms of valuation expectations, don’t expect to get any credit for synergies. You have to present them and sell them, and they may make the different between getting a deal done and not, but they will most likely not impact the price you get for the divestiture.
Finally, remember that buyers understand your psychology as well. They know you’re selling the business for a reason (you need to raise cash, you’re concerned about its future performance, it’s become a distraction or has the potential to suck scarce resources out of your core, etc.). They will completely understand the costs you carry, whether financial, opportunity, or mental, in continuing to own the business. And they will factor that into the price they’re willing to offer. Of course, as with all deals, the best thing you can do to maximize price is have multiple interested parties bidding on the deal!
Stamina
Stamina
A couple years ago I had breakfast with Nick Mehta, my friend who runs the incredibly exciting Gainsight.  I think at the time I had been running Return Path for 15 years, and he was probably 5 years into his journey. He said he wanted to run his company forever, and he asked me how I had developed the stamina to keep running Return Path as long as I had. My off the cuff answer had three points, although writing them down afterwards yielded a couple more. For entrepreneurs who love what they do, love running and building companies for the long haul, this is an important topic. CEOs have to change their thinking as their businesses scale, or they will self implode! What are five things you need to get comfortable with as your business scales in order to be in it for the long haul?
Get more comfortable with not every employee being a rock star. When you have 5, 10, or even 100 employees, you need everyone to be firing on all cylinders at all times. More than that, you want to hire ârock stars,â people you can see growing rapidly with their jobs. As organizations get larger, though, not only is it impossible to staff them that way, itâs not desirable either. One of the most influential books Iâve read on hiring over the years, Topgrading (review, buy), talks about only hiring A players, but hiring three kinds of A players: people who are excellent at the job youâre hiring them for and may never grow into a new role; people who are excellent at the job youâre hiring them for and who are likely promotable over time; and people who are excellent at the job youâre hiring them for and are executive material. Startup CEOs tend to focus on the third kind of hire for everyone. Scaling CEOs recognize that you need a balance of all three once you stop growing 100% year over year, or even 50%.
Get more comfortable with people quitting. This has been a tough one for me over the years, although I developed it out of necessity first (thereâs only so much you can take personally!), with a philosophy to follow. I used to take every single employee departure personally. You are leaving MY company? Whatâs wrong with you? Whatâs wrong with me or the company? Can I make a diving catch to save you from leaving? The reality here about why people leave companies may be 10% about how competitive the war for talent has gotten in technology. But itâs also 40% from each of two other factors. First, itâs 40% that, as your organization grows and scales, it may not be the right environment for any given employee any more. Our first employee resigned because we had âgotten too bigâ when we had about 25 employees. That happens a bit more these days! But different people find a sweet spot in different sizes of company. Second, itâs 40% that sometimes the right next step for someone to take in their career isnât on offer at your company. You may not have the right job for the personâs career trajectory if itâs already filled, with the incumbent unlikely to leave. You may not have the right job for the personâs career trajectory at all if itâs highly specialized. Or for employees earlier in their careers, it may just be valuable for them to work at another company so they can see the differences between two different types of workplace.
Get more comfortable with a whole bunch of entry level, younger employees who may be great people but wonât necessarily be your friends. I started Return Path in my late 20s, and I was right at our average age. It felt like everyone in the company was a peer in that sense, and that I could be friends with all of them. Now Iâm in my (still) mid-40s and am well beyond our average age, despite my high level of energy and of course my youthful appearance. There was a time several years ago where Iâd say things to myself or to someone on my team like âhow come no one wants to hang out with me after work any more,â or âwow do I feel out of place at this happy hour â itâs really loud here.â Thatâs all ok and normal. Participate in office social events whenever you want to and as much as you can, but donât expect to be the last man or woman standing at the end of the evening, and donât expect that everyone in the room will want to have a drink with you. No matter how approachable and informal you are, youâre still the CEO, and that office and title are bound to intimidate some people.
Get more comfortable with shifts in culture and differentiate them in your mind from shifts in values. I wrote a lot about this a couple years ago in The Difference Between Culture and Values . To paraphrase from that post, an organizationâs values shouldnât change over time, but its culture â the expression of those values â necessarily changes with the passage of time and the growth of the company. The most clear example I can come up with is about the value of transparency and the use case of firing someone. When you have 10 employees, you can probably just explain to everyone why you fired Joe. When you have 100 employees, itâs not a great idea to tell everyone why you fired Joe, although you might be ok if everyone finds out. When you have 1,000 employees, telling everyone why you fired Joe invites a lawsuit from Joe and an expensive settlement on your part, although itâs probably ok and important if Joeâs team or key stakeholders comes to understand what happened. Does that evolution mean you arenât being true to your value of transparency? No. It just means that WHERE and HOW you are transparent needs to evolve as the company evolves.
- Get more comfortable with process. This doesnât mean you have to turn your nimble startup into a bureaucracy. But a certain amount of process (more over time as the company scales) is a critical enabler of larger groups of people not only getting things done but getting the right things done, and itâs a critical enabler of the companyâs financial health. At some point, you and your CFO canât go into a room for a day and do the annual budget by yourselves any more. But you also canât let each executive set a budget and just add them together. At some point, you canât approve every hire yourself. But you also canât let people hire whoever they want, and you canât let some other single person approve all new hires either, since no one really has the cross-company view that you and maybe a couple of other senior executives has. At some point, the expense policy of âuse your best judgment and spend the companyâs money as if it was your ownâ has to fit inside department T&E budgets, or itâs possible that everyoneâs individual best judgments wonât be globally optimal and will cause you to miss your numbers. Allow process to develop organically. Be appropriately skeptical of things that smell like bureaucracy and challenge them, but donât disallow them categorically. Hire people who understand more sophisticated business process, but donât let them run amok and make sure they are thoughtful about how and where they introduce process to the organization.
I bet there are 50 things that should be on this list, not 5. Any others out there to share?







